What do people in Heaven do?
There is some great literature on the nature of Hell, from Dante’s Inferno to Sartre’s No Exit , but nobody seems to have a clear idea of what Heaven is like. Well okay, Sylvia Browne wrote Life On the Other Side, but that can’t be taken too seriously (She says that most people in Heaven work at 9 to 5 jobs.) So how do people in Heaven occupy their time?
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Seems like a rather boring place, you can have a harp or a trumpet. To paraphrase Mark Twain, I prefer the other place…more interesting company.
The Bible says that you will sing the Lord’s praises all day. Who the fuck wants to do that? What good is my mansion if I’m praising someone all day? That’s not my idea of “heaven.” I want a Swedish massage and some bacon deluxe cheeseburgers, god damnit.
I prefer Valhalla myself. Battle all day, drunken debauchery all night. And hot Valkyries to take you there.
People in heaven are alive, loving, breathing and in peace and incredible peace. They feel no pain. Or so I like to believe.
I can see how someone living a life of pain would yearn for a quiet, peaceful paradise.
The Bible seems to indicate that it will be just like Earth, but without sin. So it will be just like George Orwell’s 1984 then?
The true Concept of Heaven is lost in religious lies.
Heaven is the place of Life….this is the simplist understanding..
But not many even understand the real concept of life….
And Life is that place or that thing which gives itself to the Growing and well being of the ALL within and without.
Unlike death which is that place of thing which gives itself to the growth and well being of itself only.
So We see of all things that grows some belong to life or heaven and some belongs to death or Hell,
Death cannot be neither can it grow unless life is with it…
Life is self sustaining and perpetual.
How exactly do people spend this perpetual Life?
Living….. doing the things of life..
Sustaining and perpetuating Growth
I prefer perpetual nothingness.
@kess
The things of life. Like working, sleeping, showering, worrying about debts, exercising, going to the dentist, shaving, being polite to people you don’t like, buying new socks, repairing your bike?
Much earthy life is about dealing with imperfections, overcoming flaws and maintaining things that naturally deteriorate over time. Isn’t everything perfect in heaven?
Easy joke: heaven sounds boring as hell.
People always say ‘Fuckin Hell’ so I guess they must do the opposite in Heaven and not fuck.
I’m going straight to Hell !
You’re the one who’s “lost in Paradise” so you should know. :-)
@kess If “the true Concept of Heaven is lost in religious lies”, where do you get your ideas about heaven from? Is there a non-religious conception of heaven I have not heard of?
@firemadeflesh where ever life is the religion there are no, neither there can any lies, but any religion which makes itself as a substitute for life, there will be lies.
My concepts comes from everyday living and observation common to all and can only be seen after forsaking the life that religion offered.
Mind you though, religion is not the only substitute for the real life, there is one called money and another ego ,they all have one father…
@kess “My concepts comes from everyday living and observation common to all and can only be seen after forsaking the life that religion offered.”
I am not religious, yet my observations and everyday living lead me to the inevitable conclusion that heaven is the wishful thinking of people scared of death.
@Fyrius If you feel the need to sin, yes.
@Theby I thought sinners went to hell…... so if you can sin in heaven when you like, what is hell for?
@FireMadeFlesh People who sin on earth go to hell. In Heaven you can do whatever you want.
@Theby So we just have to last this little while on Earth being good little boys and girls, but once in heaven we can break loose and do whatever we like? Why was Satan kicked out of heaven then? Is God allowed to sin in heaven?
The devil was kicked out of Heaven because he refused to bow down before God. God is the creator. He can do whatever he wants.
@Theby So if we can do anything in heaven, including sinning, what is the point of this life?
@Theby
Ah, but that’s where I’m afraid we would hit a little snag. Because if I were in heaven, and I could do whatever I want, including sinning like there’s no tomorrow, one of the first sins I’d want to commit would be not to bow down before Jehovah.
I also have to say Jehovah would have to be a rather petty god if he kicks angels out for not bowing down before him. The Fluther moderators are more forgiving than that.
Heck, even those irresponsibly whimsical mods at 4chan – who have banned people for saying they’re not impressed with the site, for asking whether we can’t all get along, and for preferring regular to chocolate milk – won’t ban people for treating the mods as equals.
@FireMadeFlesh
The point of this life is to obey God’s laws so we get into Heaven. Kind of like this life is the lesson and getting into Heaven is the exam. This life is just a prelude to our greatest happiness (if we behave as God wants us to.)
@Fyrius
If you didn’t bow down and obey God on earth you wouldn’t get into Heaven anyway.
More like life is the tryout and Heaven is the show. Which does not say much for life. What I want to know is, in what way is Heaven our greatest happiness? What precisely goes on there?
@Theby
I know, it’s a moot issue. For many more reasons than just that.
But if all the Christian mythology were true and I’d be a good boy until I’m past the pearly gates, would Jehovah boot me out for making funny faces at him?
@Theby Jesus sure went to a lot of trouble just so we could sin in a different time and place. Seriously, if a child behaved perfectly just so they could get a new toy, and then behaved like the devil incarnate once they had it, would you really say “that’s okay, you used to be good”?
@Fyrius
According to my book, being a Christian automatically disqualifies you from Heaven. Doesn’t matter if you lived a perfect and pious life, you will still be heading down.
@FireMadeFlesh
To me, Jesus (pbuh) was an amazing prophet, not the son of God. To me, Jesus (pbuh) didn’t die for our sins. The rest of you question is answered above.
@Theby
You’re still evading my actual question…
Let’s just say I do everything right and end up in heaven, and then start being a jerk to the management. Would they boot me out?
@Fyrius
I answered your question. A Christian cannot get into Heaven so asking about what happens in Heaven when a Christian is bad is a moot point.
@Theby If a Christian cannot get in to heaven, who can, and where did you get your mythology of heaven from?
Looking down the stairwell, listening to Led Zeppelin and wondering about the lady who’s sure all that glitters is gold.
@Theby
All right then, you can consider the following questions new ones if you like. But this is what I actually wanted to know.
Can anyone get into heaven?
If so, what happens to them if, once in heaven, they start being jerks to the management?
@FireMadeFlesh
You are saying Heaven is mythological ergo you will not believe anything I say.
@Fyrius
Anyone can get into Heaven but not if they don’t obey God.
If they qualified to get into Heaven they will find Heaven so amazing they would not be jerks.
@Theby I do not mean it as a demeaning term, but as a descriptive term. Mythology is a body of beliefs, ideas or stories that is not necessarily true – but it may be true. Regardless of that, I am interested to know what you believe. I may not believe what you say, but that does not mean I would not appreciate it or be interested by it.
@FireMadeFlesh
Wikipedia: “A myth is a story that may or may not be true. Myths are generally very old. This means there are no records or other proof that they happened.”
There is proof and that proof is The Holy Qur’an.
I suggest you visit the following site if you wish to know what I believe.
http://freequranonline.org/Quran
@Fyrius
You can find a million more ways around my question, but I’m still going to persist. :P
Do you lose your free will when you enter heaven?
If not, surely you could be a good boy and obey teh lawd, get into heaven, and then become a jerk for shits and giggles.
In this perhaps unrealistic but hypothetically conceivable scenario, what would happen?
@Theby From the (substantial) portions of the Qur’an I have read, it is far from proof. I am looking to buy a copy to read in the near future though, so I will get back to you once I have read it properly.
@Fyrius Ask all you want. I am not here to educate you. I have answered the main question. If you want to “persist” I will make the same suggestion I gave to @FireMadeFlesh namely, visit the following site if you wish to know what I believe:
http://freequranonline.org/Quran
Jeez, no need to get snappy.
Why is it such a big deal just to answer a simple question, if you know the answer? And if you don’t, why not simply say “I dunno”? Nobody would think less of you for it.
And my thesis already has me spending whole days searching large books for small answers to simple questions that may or may not even be discussed in them. Give me a break.
@Fyrius
I have only been a Muslim for two years. I am still learning and have a long way to go. My husband tried to explain to me that in Heaven we “change” and no longer want to do things that are viewed as bad. That we just think of things we want and they happen. Things happen in Heaven that we, as mere mortals, could not hope to comprehend. I will try and provide you with a better answer soon.
@Theby
I see… so it’s more or less the loss-of-free-will contingency.
Thanks for answering.
Does that mean it’s not forbidden? You could if you wanted to, but you won’t want to?
@Fyrius I think you are right. The Islamic texts describes life for its immortal inhabitants as: one that is happy — without hurt, sorrow, fear or shame — where every wish is fulfilled. Traditions relate that inhabitants will be of the same age (33 years), and of the same standing/equal. Their life is one of bliss including: wearing costly robes, bracelets, perfumes as they partake in exquisite banquets, served in priceless vessels by immortal youths, as they recline on couches inlaid with gold or precious stones. Other foods mentioned include meats, scented wine and clear drinks bringing neither drunkenness nor rousing quarrelling. Inhabitants will rejoice in the company of their parents, spouses, and children (provided they were admitted to paradise) — conversing and recalling the past. The dwellings for inhabitants will be pleasant, with lofty gardens, shady valleys, fountains scented with camphor or ginger; rivers of water, milk, honey and wines; delicious fruits of all seasons without thorns; . One day in paradise is considered equal to a thousand days on earth. Palaces are made from bricks of gold, silver, pearls, among other things. Traditions also note the presence of horses and camels of “dazzling whiteness”, along with other creatures. Large trees are described, mountains made of musk, between which rivers flow in valleys of pearl and ruby.
@Theby Do you think those descriptions are actually what it will be like, or metaphors for “the best place you can imagine?”
Personally I find having servants to be elitist and immoral, wearing bracelets (for guys) vain, wearing perfume (again, for guys) pointless, and precious stones in my chair would be plain uncomfortable. The rest of your description seems quite good though, so is this a reflection of what Mohammed considered to be Utopia, or is it exactly what Heaven would be like?
@Theby
Sounds lovely. If a bit dull.
I wonder if they have arcades and laser games too, or they only have things the people of the bronze age thought were fun.
Oh, and cinemas and rock concerts.
You think of what you want and you get it.
I can feel the sarcasm so no more questions please.
I think what @Theby means is ‘spiritual truth’ which should not be confused with mathematical or scientific truth (based on scientific method). Spiritual truth is based on human feelings and faith. We all know that language is full of ambiguity. This also applies to the word truth. Misunderstandings occur when different people communicate with each other using the same words but with different meanings.
I think what @Theby means is basic Islamic canon, which should not be confused with relativist waffling about non-overlapping magisteria. She’s making concrete predictions that we’ll all get to test once we kick the bucket.
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