What do you think about a country without an organization for animal protection?

It is not unusual for poorer countries. It is too bad.

Didnt they just put through some laws for protection of their reefs?

It is sad to see though when a country doesnt have any type of animal abuse protection.

@uberbatman Yes,there’s a rule about for reef protection but people who violate the law usually get away without any punishment,the government usually just make many many excuses for this issue(like:we live in a country with large water range but economically poor nation,etc) and there are also some real-repeated scandal about bribed authorities.

@marinelife Well we’re not really that poor. Take South Africa for example,both Indonesia and South Africa are countries with almost the same economic state but there’s SPCA in South Africa but not in Indonesia.

An organization for animal protection is often a private organization, not operated by any government.

It is sad when animals are abused. Much abuse comes from not knowing how to care for others in our care. People often do not realize the care required when animals are confined to places not of their choosing. Educating all people of the need and requirements for health and well being of ourselves and the animals we take into care is not a priority in many countries. That is why people often address these issues by making an organization outside of the government. Owning pets is important to our own development and should be allowed. Their welfare should be taught so that caring of ourselves and the animals is developed. Animal rights is a different thing… animal rights is now an irrational, emotional, and sticky legal position especially when many people do not have rights and are being abused.
Human and Animal welfare knowledge and action shows the status of a developed and caring person. Combining human and animal welfare is an educational and moral journey.

I guess it depends on how important animals are seen as food.

Of course poor people should be able to own pets. Income has nothing to do with compassion, appreciation of live, and the ability to love an animal. Do they have enough money to feed it? Provide it with the necessary attention, love, and care? Then yes. Sociopaths who mistreat animals should not have pets, and sociopaths can be found at all SES levels.

Ghandi said it best in this quote:

“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.”

And Abraham Lincoln summed it up quite succinctly with this observation:

“I care not for a man’s religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.”

Maybe you can take up the issue. Get together with like minded people and start educating people about animal welfare. The cause needs activists. That’s how all places were able to institute animal protection laws.

@All Thank you for your insightful answer.

@ChazMaz That could be right. Our government will vaccinate all farm animals for ‘free’ before and during Ramadhan but they’ll never vaccinate stray cats and dogs.

@tinyfaery Well I want to do that but I don’t think there are many people who come with the same idea like mine. The power of one person is nothing. You might not noticed that many political action would means nothing without rules and policy. We just can’t create law,the law itself limits us(in my country).

Education is a main part of it. When you are not educated in something you are less likely to make good judgement about it. Starting an organization of your own is a great idea. You can even try and put a spi on it by saying if your country starts to be more active in the rights of all animals big and small politically you will look better. All countries love when something can boost their image, and animal protection is one of them. Try and get active on college campuses, the youth is a prime target and can get the ball rolling.

Gandhi was one person. MLK was one person. They were able to maintain a following because they got others involved. Start with pet owners and educate them about animal abuse and what to do about it. If you get one person to change their attitude about animals, and that person is able to educate another, an so on, then you have begun changing the attitude of your country. To say you can’t do anything is a cop-out.

And I bet there are some animal lovers in Indonesia. You cannot be the only one.

I expect that a country that doesn’t care about it’s animals probably doesn’t do much to protect humans either.

Omg…I always think it’s a great idea to have animal protection. Animals are friends to us. Maybe if you guys stop abusing animals then they would treat you better…I don’t get people these days…Always hurting animals…It’s a shame to see people anymore…. (not to be offensive to anyone here) I don’t see any purpose what so ever in animal abuse.

Some places have more important things to worry about. I suspect the majority of Indonesia care more about the harmful and exploitative effects of globalisation, free trade treaties and the related strings attached to international debts involving the World Bank, IMF, etc.

Not that they don’t care about animal welfare, but they feel that paying for a government organisation dedicated to the cause would be unrealistic and wasted money on a (relatively) low-priority issue.

You make the point that South Africa has the SPCA (dating from 1872). This, like similarly named organisations in many other countries, is inspired by the British RSPCA, which was probably the first organisation of its kind (we were the most socially/morally progressive nation ever), created in 1824.

With no disrespect to the obviously noble intentions of this organisation, how effective is it really? This is a country with 1,500 assaults, 1,000 burglaries, 625 robberies, 250 car thefts, 140 rapes & 60 murders each day, and that is only the recorded crimes. The idea that the SPCA can really do anything stop people abusing their pets is absurd. It’s a relic.

It doesn’t take a government to start and run an animal protection agency…just people who care about the cause. And if enough people get involved and voice their concern, it might create a new law. That is what the ASPCA did.

Uncivilized.

I do not understand animal abuse, and I disdain those who are cruel to animals. Having said that, since animals do not exercise choice they really do not have rights in the moral sense. And having said that, institutionalizing animal protection costs money, and not all governments see fit to spend tax money on it. Often because they are paying people to do nothing, when in fact those people could be protecting the animals. Go figure.

@ChazMaz I don’t understand what being seen as food has to do with how they are treated while alive? All animals should not suffer or be abused.

A country with room for improvements.

@JLeslie – True.

“All animals should not suffer or be abused.”

A pet get to sleep on the couch enjoying a cold drink and usually some A/C.
Livestock gets what is needed to survive to the slaughterhouse.

Suffering and abuse is subjective to the handler.

@ChazMaz some of it is subjective, but putting an animal through unnecessary pain is abuse in my book. The dog mills in many places with the dogs kept in wire cages so their paws are damaged, their muscles atrophy, and the females are breeding machines is disgusting. Seems they get away with this because the laws that govern the mills in some states, I know PA was one, the laws are the same for the puppy mills as cattle, which immediately made me wonder what that means for the cattle. As a side note when the governor of PA became aware he took action to try to address the issue I’m not sure what has been done at this point.

There are countries that have outlawed some kosher practices for killing, because they were deemed inhumane.

And, when will veal not be allowed?

The key word IS unnecessary. :-)

@ChazMaz I don’t eat veal.

I don’t blame you. It is an ugly process.