Do you get the concept of a Stampede working "with" a humaine society?See detail?

Maybe you have a link, or can explain what you are talking about?

Okay. Is this about animal abuse and organizations like PETA being against such things?

@dpworkin
@Simone_De_Beauvoir
Yes and no, @Simone DeBeauvoir. It is about a watchdog is said to be working “with” the entity he is supposed to watch. The Calgary Stampede says that it is working WITH Calgary Hunmaine society. I don’t have a link, @dpworkin but it has been on the news for the last few days. I will try and get a link.

Okay, so this is what the calgary stampede is about. Presumably, just like horse racing, these animals are being mistreated…which, thankfully, is a concern to some people. Because the people in charge of this event find people like myself (who is against such things) a nuisance, they say they’re working WITH a humane society, just for PR bullshit purposes.

@Simone_De_Beauvoir yes, you got it. I just find the humaine society is going to be not credible at all as a result of this.

I think it means the humane organization works to ensure the animals are receiving the minimum amount of care.

Also, I think it’s mostly bullshit. The typical kind of circus is guilty of animal abuse in my mind, no matter what organization works “with” it.

There is no circus which has trained animals which is humane.

They are trying to improve their image with the animal rights crowd. Most rodeos I have been to, the stock is treated better than the cowboys. After all a good bull or bucking horse can earn several thousand dollars in stud fees.

I have known stock owners to pull their stock out of events if their animals were being mistreated.

The PBR has some decent information here.

http://www.pbrnow.com/about/sportinfo/bulls.cfm

@WestRiverrat I find it disturbing that people would treat their ‘stock’ better only out of profit reasons – of course I shouldn’t be surprised…people who slaughter animals for meat care to keep them happier in the last moments of their life because then that way the meat will taste better…instead of actually giving a shit about the animals themselves.

I honestly think that the perception of cruelty towards animals is exaggerated more often than not.

The Humane Society is faced with the daunting task of trying to monitor an event they would rather see shut down. They know they will never have the clout to make that happen. They try to minimize the harm and protect animals at the greatest risk.

The Stampede people claim to be working with the humane society when they really mean they don’t run them off the stampede grounds or block their access to the barns and stables.

It is more of a Standoff at the Stampede between the organizers and the humane society.
The Stampede has tremendous support because of its connection to historic Calgary (Cowtown) and it will not be shut down until the public stops supporting the events.

I live in Alberta but would never attend the Calgary Stampede.

@Nullo Why would it be?

@Simone_De_Beauvoir There are environmental extremists out there, see. But even among the more moderate are people who have unreasonable expectations of animal husbandry. The kind that installs spongy floors in Norwegian dairy farms. Who turn purple at the sight of a ham sandwich. Who seriously consider extending human rights to apes. Who flip out at the very mention of sports like hunting and fishing, even if you tell them that if you don’t control the population levels, the species in question is going to demolish its food supply and vanish entirely.

@Nullo Apparently, what you define as ‘extremist’ I don’t

It seems that you’ve misread my post. Fret not, you aren’t the first. :D By “extremist” I was referring to the kind of people who make up the ALF and ELF groups, who kill and destroy for their cause. The rest of the paragraph is about the more moderate sorts.

@WestRiverrat ” ...the stock is treated better than the cowboys”. So, as long as someone feeds me steak and lobster, and champagne, then it should be okay to let another person abuse me?
@Nullo would you address this specific case? is it wrong or not? By now it is 5th or 6th dead horse.
Here is a link:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2010/07/13/calgary-stampede-horse-dead-fourth.html

By the way, I don’t see the bull’s picture while being wrestled, and roped etc. I will see if I can get that too.
@Nullo you say some of it is exaggerated. What do find is not exaggerated?
You brought up ”...if you don’t control the population levels…” The animal rights people are saying there is something wrong with finding fun in putting animals in distress for entertainment. That is not similar to the need to hunt the deers or Kangaroos etc. because the overpopulation causing dangerous.

@flo Aye, cap’n. Specific case.

* clears throat *

I ‘get’ the concept of a Stampede3 working with a humane society. Typically, this places the humane society in question in a “watchdog” role, where it can monitor the treatment of the animals.
I am of the opinion that most uses of animals are not abuses of animals.

Are the critters being injured for kicks? That’s a bit much. But if you’re just marching them around the ring or having them do tricks, then I don’t see anything wrong.

Does anybody read my posts thoroughly? I was referring to hunting as an example of the kinds of things that the animal rights people get unnecessarily uptight about; I had hoped that my intention was made clear by the context.

@Nullo the horses that are dropping…?

…Are typically followed by those street sweeper machines.

@Nullo dropping, as in dropping dead, not droppings.

“I am of the opinion that most uses of animals are not abuses of animals. ”
”..the perception of cruelty towards animals is exaggerated more often than not.”
Would you please list the examples where are the animal rights people have it right on the money? You have an opportunity here to help people understand.

@flo No, I cannot list any examples for you, or anyone. I am a casual anti-animal-rights-activist activist, and therefore I keep no records. The chunky bits of examples have long since cooked down into the stew that is my General Knowledge folder.
I suppose that I can offer you an example derived from the melange, but that’s not the same..

@Nullo, “I suppose thatI can offer you offer an example derived from the melange but that’s not the same….” It is the same. You want to be informed, I am thinking, so I look forward to it.
And by the way which animal rights people say let humans be overun?

@Nullo Sorry, I meant “You want people to be informed I am thinking”