Do you think the us and british troops should pull out of Iraq?

for what freedom

freedom is definitely not what they’re dying for. (they personally may believe that, and they are my hero for that, but in actuality they are not).
i don’t think i know enough about the situation(s) currently going on in Iraq at the moment to answer this question well enough (like what the repercussions might be by pulling out of Iraq).
i do think we should stop killing innocent people and brainwashing soldiers, though.
they’re getting killed for the profit of this country and towards a world police state/fascism.

@sheriff… so you don’t “know enough about the situation(s) currently going on in Iraq at the moment to answer this question well enough” but then you’re adamant that there’s “killing [of] innocent people and brainwashing [of] soldiers” going on.

So, then the volunteers who are there, living it day in and day out are your “heros”, but only because they’re brainwashed into doing a noble thing for ignoble reasons.

That’s a might fine tinfoil hat you must have there.

Whether you agree with the original motives for the war or not, all of the candidates up for election in the US presidential race agree that immediately removing troops would simply result in a vacuum of power, leaving Iraq worse off than ever. Soldiers come home talking about building schools, hospitals, and infrastructure. I think it’s obvious why the troops are there… and no, their sacrifice has not been in vain.

i said i didn’t know enough about it to answer the question, and i didn’t answer the question. . .
they’re not brainwashed into fighting for freedom, they’re brainwashed to kill.
i mean, you could start here.. http://ivaw.org/

There’s lots of places one could start.

But, I gotta wonder, how bad can the US military be if they allow active IVAW chapters on their bases, including Fort Drum, New York; Fort Meade, Maryland; Fort Hood, Texas and Lawton-Fort Sill, Oklahoma?

Of course there is objection to war. War is terrible. No one is “for” a war. That’s why the US didn’t, even during the draft, require conscientious objectors to serve in the military.

What is distasteful to see though is people, who object to the war for any of a number of good and valid reasons, then turn around a call our soldiers “brainwashed” and other language intended to marginalize their real and valuable efforts.

there are soldiers that are brainwashed. there are american citizens who are brainwashed.
sorry to sound like i was generalizing. you’re right, a lot of soldiers are great people (obviously).
but don’t say i was trying to “marginalize their real and valuable efforts”

So, which soldiers and which citizens are brainwashed? The one’s who don’t subscribe to your political views?

It is bullshit. It has been fantastic if your industry is making bullets and bombs. It sucks if your kid was killed for corporate profits.

And Iraq is going to fucking explode if we leave. It will happen if we leave in a month. It will happen if we leave in ten years. It is going to happen. How many body bags until the inevitable?

maybe we are just narrow minded rob maybe we are the ones that are brainwashed where can I get my fold hat sheriff

As a person not even remotely near the US or England (Relived Sigh) I think that they should pull out of the country, Why did Bush send them in anyway, to find the “weapons of Mass Destruction”, fair enough although he didn’t find them he did kill off Saddam Hussain and Chemical Ali is soon to be hung for the killing of thousands of Kurds. But your job is done there and you’ve destroyed the livelihood of enough people to fill your quota for the next score of years.

Let’s not forget the Australians.

and the New Zealanders

bush planted the chemicals. it’s all an inside job.

bring on the hate. yeah i’m a conspiracy freak.

You should really listen to what the soldiers have seen and let them actually tell you what is going on over there. Not just believe the biased crap you hear on the news. My father has already been to Iraq and will soon return for another tour. I don’t intend to sound arrogant but my father was in control of 1/3 of Iraq while he was there. He whole-heartedly believes in what we are doing and I hear him tell of how when they enter villages, all of the Iraqis run out to great them. My father has been showered in gifts by the Iraqi people, grateful that he would sacrifice his time and his life to help them. Saddam killed thousands and thousands of Kurds. These people were persecuted in ways similar to how the jews were persecuted by the Nazis. Now that Saddam has been overthrown, we are trying to help these people stand on their own feet now. Something they have never known how to do. And by the way “sheriff”, my father is a volunteer in the army national guard, not some “brainwashed soldier” sent to kill.

damn you heard me, i didn’t say all soldiers or even just the soldiers in iraq.
things aren’t like what your father has experience everywhere in this “war”
i know soldiers too. stop acting like i’m some idiot in a box that knows no one personally involved in this dispute.

Sheriff I am inclined to tell you that all these bad things you hear aren’t happening everywhere in this war either. You act like this war is worthless and is all about corporations or governments making money. Look at the good coming out of this war and stop trying to claim that because war is violent and people tend to die that we should stop. Last time I checked, no war in the history of the world has been without bloodshed. If you are one of those people that believe war won’t solve anything then I must quote this saying, “Except for ending slavery, facism, Nazism, and communism, war has never solved anything.” I’m sorry you think I’m treating you like an “idiot” but you have to look at both sides of this conflict. Not just the bad. So far this war has done a lot of good. Maybe in time people will really see what this war accomplished. Don’t forget this, at the time Winston Churchill was accused of being a warmonger for wanting to stop Hitler and the beliefs of the german empire. Look what became of that conflict.

For anyone on the conspiracy bandwagon, I have some suggested reading re: the aforementioned tinfoil hats.

Quote:

The helmets amplify frequency bands that coincide with those allocated to the US government between 1.2 Ghz and 1.4 Ghz. According to the FCC, these bands are supposedly reserved for ’‘radio location’’ (ie, GPS), and other communications with satellites… The 2.6 Ghz band coincides with mobile phone technology. Though not affiliated by government, these bands are at the hands of multinational corporations. It requires no stretch of the imagination to conclude that the current helmet craze is likely to have been propagated by the Government, possibly with the involvement of the FCC. We hope this report will encourage the paranoid community to develop improved helmet designs to avoid falling prey to these shortcomings. [emphasis mine]