Logically what is so wrong with making use of euthanized dogs and cats?

I think the fur and meat of a euthanize animal should be used. So long as people in america don’t start treating cats and dogs the way we already treat cows an chicken.

It’s bad enough they get euthanized for no reason..
Gutting their dead bodies to wear or eat no matter how “logical” it is to use them is a pretty sickening in a moral and physical sense thought. imo.

@Hypocrisy_Central While there may be more than one way to skin a cat, there are not so many to tan the hides afterwards. Do you have any idea of the mechanics involved? Tanning is a specialized trade and the scale of what you are suggesting boggles the mind. The sheer logistics, think of it! Cold storage of hides, then the process, and the space and chimacls involved. Vats and vats of softening and preserving agents. The smell, nay the reek!
Then the machanics of the lining process. Seamstressing, another specialized trade. Do you propose hand sewing to coats that are already made? So we need to come up with a way for donated coats to find their way to places where the animal skins are. Or for the skins to find their way to where the donated coats are. And then someone with the skill to cut and piece the skins one at a time inside of coats, or into a whole lining, then into donated coats. Then the coats need to get back to the distribution centers.
Wait, my phone is ringing…. It’s for you. Cruella DeVille wants to speak with you.

I rather see countries armies leave a bit earlier (or don’t go at all) from a war zone and save some billons which a slight part then can be used for furry gloves and sweaters for homeless people, and while we’re at it, people with homes but no(t enough) money to keep it warm in cold times then skinning cats and dogs for this purpose.
And when there is some money left, after everybody is clothed in fur, we can also donate a chunk of it to animal shelters to provide for better health care for the kitties.

Yeah, @Trillion! Not a feasible idea. Cats are too small to be worthwhile.Besides dog fur stinks when wet.

@Trillian Do you have any idea of the mechanics involved? Did we not put man on the Moon, have cars that park themselves, transplant a whole face, and have drones with no pilots doing the dirty work? It is doable, if the money was committed it could be done.

Cold storage of hides, then the process, and the space and chimacls involved. Vats and vats of softening and preserving agents. The smell, nay the reek! You mean they don’t do similar with leather now? How do you get anything moved around quick? Trains, planes, and automobiles (or trucks). And if you locate the all-in-one processing plant out in the country side they can do it all from take down, skinning and processing.

Do you propose hand sewing to coats that are already made? You use the pelts in new coats built at a dedicated factory or textile mill, AND you create JOBS to boot. Out of work truck drivers have a job ferrying the pelts and materials in and completed coats out, taxidermist get jobs preparing the hides and teaching apprentice creating more taxidermist and giving jobs to people who would otherwise have no skill, labors have a job hauling stuff around the mill, as well as fork lift drivers, dock hands, clerical, food service, all the way down to janitors; work for many!

@rebbel And when there is some money left, after everybody is clothed in fur, we can also donate a chunk of it to animal shelters to provide for better health care for the kitties I would agree if we are going to spend 100s of millions, or more we could or should spend it on shelters that no dog or cat has to die, but seriously how many of those who don’t want to use “Binkie’s” fur won’t give her a home when she was living or want to spend that kind of money? They say “I don’t want animals killed, I won’t save any by adoption I have too many already, but if they are killed I don’t want the death to have some meaning just kill it and burn it up”. I hear the emotion but I have not seen any sound logic not to do it.

Better yet, instead of euthanizing cats and dogs, why not hand them over for biological research?

The reason that none of this will happen of course is that people in the U.S.A. have such a close family-like relation cats and dogs.

Your question is like why let all the dead human remains just go to waste?

@Hypocrisy_Central Instead of using the money to fuck around with dead cats, why not use it towards improving shelters so that the live ones don’t have to be killed?

better yet, give the homeless a living pet. that will keep them warm too.
This makes me sick.

you eat dog and cat. You may have good intention, but it’s the pet NAZI to me.
Put the lotion in the basket.

the animal zombies would eat us alive.

Quite honestly, the though makes me sick. But you have a point. I would rather have them die for a purpose rather then just be thrown in a pile. I, personally, couldn’t eat dog or cat, or wear a dog/cat fur coat. But you are willing, your choice.

I would rather see mandatory sterilization laws for every pet.

I think it makes sense to use the organs for other sick dogs or cats, but at the choice of the owner. I think many people (me included) would be disgusted by the thought that their pet would be turned into a glove, or sold as food at the supermarket.

I couldn’t wear a coat or get under a blanket if I knew it was made from someone’s former pet.

Logically there is no reason, other than our emotional attachment to our pets. But…what about the message it would send to homeless people?

Of course, the population that is housed and fed would want nothing to do with eating pets or wearing their furs. Soooo, we stigmatize the less fortunate even MORE, by degrading them by being fed and clothed in dead pets.

That would really add to their self-esteem and degradation.

I’d say the more logical solution would be to feed the euthanized pets to zoo animals or wildlife rehabbers.

Oh boy. I can’t even begin to describe how morally reprehensible I find this idea to be.

First of all, cats and dogs are not just some commodity like plastic, which should be recycled to keep from ending up in a land fill. They are living beings that deserve respect, and shouldn’t just be used as coats (I’m going to completely ignore the food part) for homeless people simply because they were euthanized. No “value” is added to their death just because their remains are utilized.

But fine, let’s explore the logistics:

- Where would the money come from to sew them into coats? Couldn’t this same money just be spent on improving shelter and living conditions for the animals, preventing them from dying in the first place? Couldn’t it be spend on building homeless shelters that would prevent homeless people from being out on the street, and needing the coats in the first place?

- Aside from a few breeds, the vast majority of cats and dogs can’t survive completely outside in winter themselves. How is fur that is not capable of keeping them warm enough supposed to help humans? Double, triple the pelts per coat? That would require a lot of animals pelts just to keep one human warm.

- Cat and dog fur isn’t waterproof. A wet winter storm would only get the coat sopping wet, which would then be of no help to the homeless person wearing it. Why not just set forth an initiative to donate regular old waterproof coats/parkas to the homeless?

- Many cats and dogs that are put down in shelters are in poor health. What if the usage of their pelts in coats leads to the transmissions of disease(s) to their would-be recipients?

- What if the demand for these coats exceeds the supply? Will cats and dogs purposely be killed in order to make coats?

I could go on and on, but this is sick.

@gondwanalon Your question is like why let all the dead human remains just go to waste? Logically think about that. If every one was a donor how many people might be saved who is on a list waiting for a heart, kidney, bone marrow etc? But……..many people are not so they get buried with their good kidney, cornea, spleen, skin, etc. intact.

@rangerr Re: _answer to @rebbel.

better yet, give the homeless a living pet. that will keep them warm too. How can homeless people really keep a cat? Unless they keep it in a pet carrier they won’t have it for long. It was hard enough for the homeless I know to feed and care for a dog when they have to scrounge around their own selves. Not to mention trying to not get their dog stolen when they have to go somewhere the dog can’t. Then shots, vet care, if you can’t even get shoes for yourself you sure don’t have vet money.

@YARNLADY I would rather see mandatory sterilization laws for every pet. I can agree to that, but it would be fought tooth and nail, or paw and claw until it was never passed. With most including myself the cost is too high in this down economy. I have 2 queens that is not spayed, one is too young for kittens but the other is; and I keep her inside. People call that cruel but I am taking responsibility for my pet as best I can with what I have. I know the shelters are brimming with kittens, they don’t have room for hardly any more and I don’t choose to add to it. I know people in my neighborhood who have cats, most of which are not spayed or neutered because the cost is too great. So these cats have kittens who will not get spayed or neutered either producing yet more cats. Where are most of these cats going to end up? Running feral or ending up in the clutches of animal control. Even people who try to save near every cat and end up being called hoarder loose them to animal control in the end. I am thinking “Good Lord, all those animals just being put down because not enough people want them or shelters to house them”, they are just going to waste as if they never were here. Sterilization laws won’t even have a chance if the price don’t come down to do it. There will be enough opposition for those who think spaying is cruel to the animal.

@OwlofHappiness @Mom2BDec2010 I think many people (me included) would be disgusted by the thought that their pet would be turned into a glove, or sold as food at the supermarket. Most people’s pets are properly put to rest, as my cat was when she finally passed. What of the feral cats? They are not going to live a long life and end up dead and rotting in a field or scrapped up like trash by animal control.

@Coloma That would really add to their self-esteem and degradation. Trust me, there will be enough homeless that don’t care about that, they just want to survive. I have known homeless who had the opportunity not to be homeless but they chose that because they did not want to be saddled with monthly rent, utilities, etc. Soup kitchens, clothe handouts, dumpster diving is all part of the freedom and they are at peace with that. They have way thicker skin than you or I.

@jeffgoldblumsprivatefacilities They are living beings that deserve respect, and shouldn’t just be used as coats (I’m going to completely ignore the food part) for homeless people simply because they were euthanized. They deserve respect simply because people see them as cute furry children, family members, some other emotional attachments? In actuality cats and dogs are no different than a pig, a horse, bison, cattle, etc., the only thing is with other animals they make a profit for those they belong to, dogs might protect or do work but cats and dogs for the most part are “just feel” good animals. I love my cat, but if she gets hit by a car, I will mourn the loss, then after a time get another.

Where would the money come from to sew them into coats? Couldn’t this same money just be spent on improving shelter and living conditions for the animals, preventing them from dying in the first place? The private sector, government won’t touch it with a 10,000ft pole because most people would not support them on that. The same reason why we don’t have enough shelter, the government won’t pay and it is not profitable enough for the private sector to sink money into it.

Couldn’t it be spend on building homeless shelters that would prevent homeless people from being out on the street, and needing the coats in the first place? Again, aside from charities mostly religious based there is no profit incentive for private entities to get involved and when they are offered juicy deductions the not so poor scream foul.

How is fur that is not capable of keeping them warm enough supposed to help humans? Double, triple the pelts per coat? The same way coats without fur lining keeps people warm, by retaining body heat. It is not so much to keep the cold out as much as to keep heat in.

A wet winter storm would only get the coat sopping wet, which would then be of no help to the homeless person wearing it. Not if the fur is inside the jacket or coat.

Why not just set forth an initiative to donate regular old waterproof coats/parkas to the homeless? Waterproof keeps water out but doesn’t retain heat, and fur does that really good. The Russian knew that and that is why they beat the mighty German Juggernaut in WWII.

Many cats and dogs that are put down in shelters are in poor health. What if the usage of their pelts in coats leads to the transmissions of disease(s) to their would-be recipients? The same way they don’t use downer cows or other sick animals, those cats and dogs will simply be passed over. That is quite logical.

What if the demand for these coats exceeds the supply? Will cats and dogs purposely be killed in order to make coats? <to illogical to solicit and answer>
Next!

@Hypocrisy_Central So let me get this straight.

You didn’t ask this question to ask what is logically wrong with making use of the animals, you asked it to argue with people when they give you logical answers?
Understood.

Next stupid question from you is….?

@Hypocrisy_Central

Yes, looks like you already had multiple answers on the ready soooo, moot.

@Hypocrisy_Central Ugh. Now I see that you asked this question in a disingenuous manner, solely for the purpose of getting people riled up. As with all of your questions, I regret having even bothered with you in the first place. I’m out.

@rangerr @Coloma @jeffgoldblumsprivatefacilities Give me a reason other than “they make me feel good” as a reason why all those cats and dogs deaths should go to waste and I am all ears. There is no profit incentive to keep them alive in an endless stream of shelters and who would man all those shelters? The same unemployed work force needed to work in a coat factory. Should the animals be spayed and neutered as to not create all these “throw away” kittens and dogs but it is too expensive for most, and many don’t care let their animals run and breed at will causing more unwanted animals. Maybe those owner should fined or sued for not doing more. I have not heard of a solution that can work to save all the animals you believe can be saved. How will you get corporate America to foot the bill? How will you convice government they need to spend more money on animal shelters when many are trying find ways to keep their fire and police forces in place. Do you support a parcil taxs to support these animals? Where do you suppose all this cash coime from to open and staff all the shelters needed as well as feed and care for all the animals that will be in it? I am all ears, believe me.

There is nothing wrong with doing anything to any animals since the majority of the world consumes and makes use of them daily. Any animal consumer who says otherwise is a hypocrite. The only one who can mouth off, is a vegetarian, but since they’re a minority, nothing should change in their favor.

@Hypocrisy_Central

I already did.

I am not into draping the homeless in pet pelts or tossing them into the soup pot at the local loaves & fishes, but feeding them to birds of prey and other carnivores in zoos or rehab centers does not bother me in the least.

This would constitute a helpful way for their lost lives to contribute to the survival of other species.

Doing that will inevitably lead people to start actively killing animals for fur.

“Doing that will inevitably lead people to start actively killing animals for fur.” Your logic is impeccable. You win.

@NaturallyMe
@Trillian

Yep, and I have two of the most beautiful cat furs walking. Bah!

If that happened I’d have to break my aversion to keeping a firearm and learn to shoot. lol

In theory, the idea has possibilities, such as additional food and clothing that is now going to waste, as well as the opportunity to create new jobs.

In reality, there would need to be a really good strategic planning process to work through all of the challenges. I think that the biggest two would be lawfully preventing illegal practices and getting the vast majority of pet owners to adopt the idea, at least in some countries. (Case in point: you now have @Coloma considering purchasing a hand gun should this come about.)

@Pied_Pfeffer

Yes, and that’s saying a lot! lol

@Coloma I’m surprised that you don’t already own one in order to protect your geese for the same reasons. But maybe you have a moat around your property.

@Pied_Pfeffer

I have a horse corral with a 6 ft. fence and weld wire fencing wrapping the planks and a locking barn. So, short of razor wire, I’m covered for the coyotes. lol