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Which Muslims should I believe?

Asked by josie (30934points) September 12th, 2010

Clearly, there is some mistrust between non Islamic Americans, and people (this includes Americans) who practice the Islamic faith. I will not bother to prove that assertion, it is all over the headlines- Koran burning, the Islamic “cultural center” near Ground Zero etc….
But lets face it. When it comes down to judging the motives, goals, and core beliefs of Muslims, there are only two choices.;
1. The Muslims who publicly declare that they want to rid the world of The Infidel (by bombing, beheading, stoning, burning and every other atrocious torment that the mind of man can imagine)
2. Those Muslims who publicly declare….nothing at all. No renunciation of murder, no condemnation of terrorism…..nothing.
Assuming that those who say nothing at all have only two options-the embrace of terroristic Jihad, or peaceful coexistence-then there is only a 50/50 chance of reading them correctly. Those odds, nothing more than flipping a coin, are not particularly good when dealing with life and death decisions.
So, given those two choices, who would not render a final moral judgement against the followers of the Prophet?
I would be happy to re evaluate if and when the “moderate” Muslims spoke up against the murderers. But on measure they do not.
So why are some people, like me, being condemned for making a totally rational judgement? Plus, I have an advantage-I have walked among those folks in the Middle East, and the “moderates” say nothing, NOTHING, to try to mitigate the conflict between
“Christendom” and the Islamic culture. I repeat…NOTHING.
So why should any of us believe anything the “moderates” say without evidence that it might be true? Why should we not be suspicious of their motives?

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thekoukoureport's avatar

because in the 1400’s this conversation was ended. Uless of course you are a crusader who would like to start religious wars all over again. I didn’t hear any Christian renunciation of the murder of the abortion doctor in Kansas, nor condemnation of the Clinic bombings.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

They do speak up – you just don’t get to see it on Fox or whatever American news channel you’re following – I’ve heard plenty of Muslims speak up but I watch Al-Jazeera instead of the bs we get here.

thekoukoureport's avatar

you get your news from Al Jazeera? are you for real?

ZEPHYRA's avatar

Which Christians should we believe? Which Christians has humanity been believing for the past centuries? Where did that lead us?

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@thekoukoureport Certainly not just but yes, it’s one of my sources – why?

thekoukoureport's avatar

@Simone_De_Beauvoir never met anyone who used Al Jazeera as a credible news source and quoted it! thats all.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@thekoukoureport Yeah, I’m sure you hear more people quoting Fox, don’t ya? Good luck with that.

thekoukoureport's avatar

ha ha ha not really. But thanks for trying to pigeon hole me.

jerv's avatar

I am with @ZEPHYRA here. We only hear about/from a small fraction of Muslims. Why do we not hear two billion Christians denouncing the pedophile priests? Personally, I’ve only heard a few hundred speak out, so is it safe to assume that nearly one-third of humanity silently approves of kiddy-diddling?

ZEPHYRA's avatar

@jerv So so true, and let’s not get started on all the rest of the crimes against humanity!

thekoukoureport's avatar

i’m telling mom, and your gonna be in big trouble @Simone_De_Beauvoir. I didn’t really mean to start anything BUT Al Jazeera is fox for Muslims don’t you think?

majorrich's avatar

I suppose the best way to find out which Muslims to worry about would be to find some fundamentalist fringe wacko Christian group to hijack an airliner into the dome of the rock and see who goes bananas. Meanwhile start arresting middle-eastern hikers and tourists and accuse them of being spys. I wouild house them at San Quentin. No need for guards. Just stick-em out there. That would bring ‘em out, or at least really pull someones chain.

josie's avatar

@Simone_De_Beauvoir Hey! A woman after my own heart!!!

thekoukoureport's avatar

really Josie have you read the string according to your question?

ragingloli's avatar

Well, there is a christian fanatic building an evangelical centre 2 blocks from “ground zero”, which he will call the “9/11 Christian Center”.
And while the “Ground Zero Mosque” will have interfaith prayer rooms for Christians, Jews, and Muslims, that fanatic’s center will be christian-only.
That guy also foresees/prophecises and welcomes the end of humanity in the form of a violent final conflict between christianity and islam.
But of course you have never heard of him. I have also not head any christian condemning him so I can assume that most christians agree with him, right?

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@thekoukoureport I don’t think so, whatsoever.

thekoukoureport's avatar

wow. Then why would Osama and the rest of his merry band send their recordings to Al Jazeera and not CNN?

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@thekoukoureport Why would they send them to CNN?

thekoukoureport's avatar

OK how about Der spiegal? or any other NEWS organization out thier. It’s because they have a receptive ear, just like fox.

ragingloli's avatar

@thekoukoureport
Shipping costs?
Also, why send your stuff to an news corp that works for your enemy and that would edit the crap out of your videos, when you can just as well send it to a local big station that isn’t as closely monitored/infiltrated by enemy intel operatives.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@thekoukoureport There are no perfect news organizations out there. I prefer al-jazeera as one of my sources despite some of their connections. I also enjoy BBC and NPR as well as independent bloggers and websites.

thekoukoureport's avatar

wow some things in common and I certainly was not attacking you. I just never met anyone who used Al Jazeera as a source thats all.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@thekoukoureport Of my circle of friends, I am certainly not the only one using it as a source.

ragingloli's avatar

also, if that station were Osama’s mouth piece, I really doubt simone would have heard muslims speaking out against extremism on it, just as you would never hear anything pro-democrat, pro-liberal, or pro-obama on Fox. On the contrary.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@ragingloli @thekoukoureport You should both check out http://english.aljazeera.net/ and judge their articles.

ragingloli's avatar

Seems quite neutral to me.

anartist's avatar

@thekoukoureport what’s wrong with “Al Jazeera”? Other than it is covertly managed by USIA?

I will look at “Der Spiegel” but German bias may be very similar to American bias. They have terrorist problems too.

Jaxk's avatar

Let’s see, after 9/11 when the twin towers came down, there were Muslims celebrating in the streets around the world. I can only assume, those would be the moderates. When Nicholas Cage was beheaded, Al Jazeera ran the tape. How many million hits did it get? I assume the moderates simply couldn’t take their eyes off this atrocity.

I find the comparison to the Catholic child abuse cases particularly strange. It was Catholics that turned them in, Catholics that brought the charges, and Catholics that testified against them. Do you people even read what you write.

According to Masab Yousuf there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. He has some credibility being the son of Hamas leader Sheik Hassan Yousef and working in Hamas for years with his father.

Simone_De_Beauvoir's avatar

@Jaxk Where are you getting any of this? Catholics aren’t one group, there hasn’t been one molestation case but thousands, many were never ‘brought up’, hundreds were hushed down and none of this has to do with the fact that you think what the media showed you on tv applies to millions of Muslims.

BonusQuestion's avatar

@Jaxk , You said: “He has some credibility being the son of Hamas leader Sheik Hassan Yousef and working in Hamas for years with his father.”

So, being the son of Hamas leader brings credibility? Working for Hamas brings credibility? Wow. Or is it when somebody says what you want to hear you use any tactic you have to make your point even if it is claiming being a Hamas member brings credibility?

Jaxk's avatar

@Simone_De_Beauvoir

Actually Catholics are one group. I’m sure there are sub-groups but that doesn’t change the overall. The cases that were ‘never brought up’, I obviously don’t know about. I have no special insight. My point was/is that the Catholics were the ones saying, “I was molested”. I take that as a complaint.

As for the cheering in the streets by Muslims, it didn’t look like cartoon characters. Rather news footage. They seemed happy about the recent events. Unfortunate.

@BonusQuestion

Since most of the terrorism in the last 40 years has been based on Islam and the plight of the Palestinians, I would think the opinion of a high ranking Palestinian and Muslim, would be of particular interest. At least more so than the opinion of a shop keeper in Nebraska.

BonusQuestion's avatar

@Jaxk, Nah, you think it is “of particular interest” because they discredited Islam. How about if they had said “an overwhelming majority of Muslims are moderates”? Would you have brought that into this conversation? Of course not. Because that is not what you want to hear.

Jaxk's avatar

@BonusQuestion

I merely submitted a pertinent opinion that supported the premise of the question. If you have contrary evidence, you should submit it. Instead you complain that evidence I’ve shown is somehow inferior to the evidence you have not shown. At this point I have not even submitted my own opinion which frankly is somewhat different. But then my opinion is just that, my opinion.

thekoukoureport's avatar

timothy mcveigh, Columbine highschool masacre, over 50,000 Americans killed each year from gun violence, the beltway sniper, the cop killers the Anthrax attacks. I don’t believe that any or all of theses terrorist actions were commited by muslims. The reason it’s not worse in this country is the availabilty of explosives and other military grade munitions. Thankfully so I might add. Finally the main reason we are not more prone to attacks should be obvious. the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.

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