@CaptainHarley “I will not be put in the position of defending cultural mores and folkways, such as the thing about long hair for women. However, at Matthew 10:37 we find, “Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me,” which clearly indicates that Luke 14:26 is an alternate phrasing, and hyperbolic.”
The fact that the Bible says something else, somewhere else doesn’t not undermine the validity of that quote, it just shows that the Bible can’t keep its story straight. also I think it’s pretty insane for a religious leader, or even a god to demand you love him more than your family. That’s the sort of thinking that makes people think it’s ok to kill their kids so long as they think it was God that told them to do it.
“I don’t normally get into this sort of “who shot John” thing, but this was just too glaring to pass by. Use of the word “hate” is not a good English translation of the original Aramaic.”
I’m guessing that you must be a student of Aramaic then? Or you’ve read Aramaic scholars’ research into the matter? Biblical scholars don’t just pull their translations out of their ass. Go to Bible Gateway and check the various translations, some versions are better than others, but the use of the word “hate” is not controversial.
“I am sorely disappointed that some of the very people who have attacked me on here for some of my FACTUAL statements about Islam now see nothing wrong with assailing Christianity by making fun of the New Testament. What’s wrong with focusing ( once in awhile ) on the fact that Christianity is all about love, not “hate?”
I wasn’t around to see your comments on Islam so I can’t comment on their validity nor have I mocked your beliefs….yet. I do prefer it when Christianity encourages loving behavior. I prefer everyone, no matter their belief to espouse love. But that fact that sometimes it preaches nice things has nothing to do with whether or not it’s claims are accurate. Wiccans endorse some pretty lovey, hippy stuff and if we’re going by whose nicer, they win since unlike the Bible they haven’t institutionalized sexism, homophobia and tacitly approved slavery. But that doesn’t mean paganism is righter than Christianity just because it’s more pleasant. It just means its more pleasant.
The fact of the matter is I have yet to call Christianity hateful in this conversation. I just pointed out that, despite all the blather about Jesus being all about loving, he himself, not only accepted hate, he specifically mandated it. I didn’t sneak into your Bible and have my way with your red letter type. It’s there and you have to deal with it.
Honestly, I’ve seen you take a very moderate position on religion recently and I can sympathize with the difficulty of trying to argue for a loving version of Christianity over the more extreme versions. The problem is, the Bible is more consistent with an extreme version of Christianity than a moderate one. I’m afraid @CaptainHarley that you are a more loving and rational person than whoever wrote the Bible. I don’t think you should tie yourself to Bronze Age ideology when clearly you are already morally superior to it.